Atletico Madrid have been a ‘shame’, however so have been the BT Sport chaps. Ship your ideas to theeditor@football365.com.
BT Sport pearl clutching
Let’s be clear, Atletico have been a shame on the finish and after the ultimate whistle. Felipe deserved his purple and Savic also needs to have been off. One factor that annoys me about soccer is the quantity of groups and followers that can provide it out however can’t take it.
That being stated, I believed the pearl clutching from Fletcher and Hoddle was a shame. Proper from kick off they have been happening about Atletico making an attempt to affect the referee and completely ignoring when Metropolis did it. On the finish Foden was making an attempt to waste time. If that was an Atletico participant the pair of them would have misplaced their minds.
As a non English viewer of BT that is one thing that occurs time and time once more with their European protection when they’re so biased in direction of the English golf equipment it makes them unlistenable.
Sam (hoping Linfield win the large two sport tomorrow), Newtownabbey
READ MORE: Man Metropolis ‘cool heads’? They misplaced it in opposition to Atletico…
Atletico minced
So this has gone on lengthy sufficient…………………………………………………
Ath. Madrid have some fantastic gamers at their disposal, however that ending simply was a shame. And it should come again to the Shithousery of a Supervisor who, has by some means not solely himself, however his group, acquired away with probably the most shithousery of shithousery ever to happen on soccer fields the previous couple of years.Utter Shithousery of the best order.
What occurred the final 20 minutes was a shame. Shithousery. Earlier than that it was dangerous sufficient. It occurs just about yearly when they’re knocked out. Why can’t EUFA watch that again once more and do one thing about this Shithousery? And the SAD factor is, it was as if we ended up watching a Bullfight, the Ath. followers virtually baying for somebody to essentially do one on Foden or every other Metropolis participant, by being wound up by an completely disgraceful supervisor. Underneath Simeone they’ve develop into perhaps probably the most hated membership in Europe.
I do know nothing will come of it, however simply needed to say Shithousery a couple of instances after watching that too.
And now, chill out………………………
Oh one very last thing, I do hope that Simone’s canine ( His title is Shithousery by the best way) bites his balls as he walks in tonight, pondering that with all that darkish thick hair rapidly once more the twat is a burglar.
Nite nite
Choose
Not gonna dissect the sport. On behalf of anybody who’s group has needed to play in opposition to Athletico Madrid – F*CK F*CKING YOU
What an terrible terrible group.
Ref and officers – I’ve (almost) each sympathy but it surely was all recorded, why can’t you get it proper?? You’re allowed to evaluate this!!
It was so apparent what was going to occur after the primary sport, their was clearly no consideration from the officers to pre-empt the silly and nasty behaviour. I do know United on the very least have gone loopy over Athletico’s antics up to now, it’s not soccer and it’s doesn’t appear to be addressed by the officers successfully both.
Primarily annoyed as a result of the group I assist now has to deal with accidents and playing cards that shouldn’t actually have been aside of the sport, the place as different groups can conduct a comparatively smart passage, and/or be a part of unbelievable memorable video games like Chelsea’s (even when it wasn’t good for them sorry).
It’s not soccer. I don’t imply the stoic relentless defensive and difficult defensive nature of their model with vicious counter assaults, that’s good, honest play, it really works, do what it’s good to do. It’s every little thing else, what a load of sh*t, so simply to be clear, Athletico, F*CK RIGHT OFF.
Effectively achieved Metropolis, and unbelievably effectively achieved for preserving your heads(assuming the tunnel drama I simply caught wind of is extra of Savic and Athletico doing their factor).
David – apologies for my language, it simply completed and unsurprisingly I’m somewhat labored up
A story of two UCL ties
It was the most effective of ties, it was the worst of ties.
The worst that means, Metropolis’s tie with AtlMad (fairly apt).
As an lfc fan, i’m simply so glad we didnt draw AtlMad but once more after taking part in them twice in 2 non elimination group video games. We all know what it’s wish to play them, particularly in an elimination tie, and it’s as pleasurable as having a root canal operation, by a dentist who’s taunting, provocating and winding up frequently the entire time lol.
It’s the equal of wrestling with a muddy armed pig:
— getting soiled and shedding one’s head from the quite a few patented El Cholo provocative strategies perfected over a decade (f365 weblink on even cool heads Metropolis shedding their collective cool: https://www.football365.com/information/opinion-man-city-cool-heads-lost-it-against-atletico),
— the pig appears to completely get pleasure from it,
— and the pig is armed with efficient weapons besides: griezmann, joao felix, and so forth.
One may very simply lose the tie, however one by no means fairly wins the tie, extra like survive.
Sort of the on-field equal of negotiating with levy : peeing blood, however over 180 minutes.
True enuf, metropolis emerge damaged (2 main accidents) whereas lfc have been fortunate to rotate 8 starters.
And naturally, lfc retain the behavior of inserting pleasure into whilst routine a tie with 6-2 mixture rating. Another rating and we’d be thisclose to additional time. However in any other case, a simple tie. (Darwin Nunez – what a participant).
Metropolis’s 2 accidents simply earlier than yet one more marquee tie, simply spotlight in daring and enormous fonts, how congested the soccer calendar is. Followers lose out too, lacking the prospect to see the most effective gamers.
Definitely i’m ahead to a different cracking semifinal FA cup match, with potential benefit to liverpool becos of these accidents . (Having seen Metropolis in prior years get pleasure from and cruise by means of straightforward ties, i actually wont be apologizing anytime quickly for our draw of benfica lol).
Gab YNWA
Fodenici
“Foden, cleverly rolled again onto the sector”.
Sensible sport of shithosery in opposition to the masters, but when his title was Fodenici, there can be no plaudits, simply condemnation.
Whereas an absolute waste of cash and a soccer profession on the best way down the bathroom, perhaps Pep has discovered a use for Grealish. Waterboy/wind up service provider.
Paul
“No person needs to see that”
Hardly ever has a commentator used the phrase “no one needs to see that” much less aptly than when watching an important shithouse group lose their shit in their very own home.
Aidan, Lfc (would’ve like a Madrid derby although)
The Champions League isn’t about underdogs
Like all soccer fan, I like the Champions League, however over time, I’ve develop into annoyed that Europe’s premier membership competitors not often produces a ultimate that really includes the 2 finest groups in Europe. In my opinion, the UCL isn’t the FA cup or the World Cup , it’s not purported to be about fairytales & underdogs, it’s purported to be about the elite of the elite. It’s simply my choice, but it surely bugs me that we’ve by no means seen a Barca/Actual, Barca/ Bayern, or Actual / Bayern ultimate, if you’d assume that the event designed to determine the most effective membership group in Europe may need introduced any of those two collectively in a ultimate.
I get that overcoming the pitfalls of knockout soccer is a part of being the most effective, but it surely does depart me dissatisfied when an elite group taking part in at a elite degree are are knocked out by a foolish clanger, doubtful objective, or by an in any other case common opponent who raised their sport for 180 minutes, “rode their luck” and snuck by means of.
As a Liverpool fan I a lot most popular successful in 2019, once they may legitimately declare to be Europe’s finest, versus 2005 once they completed fifth behind Everton.
Lopsided attracts ain’t serving to, which is why I rejoiced at this yr’s QF draw and outcomes – now we’d even have the ultimate that I’ve been ready for.
Bryan Stokes
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Liverpool with out Van Dijk
That top defensive position Liverpool insist on taking part in, merely doesn’t work with out Van Dijk. As soon as fortunate, thrice caught out. Christ that was nearer than it ever ought to have been.
Nik (no allianz area go to for me this yr), Munich
Assist the horrible Man United
You’re all misunderstanding the present Manchester United squad!
They’ve listened to the supporters who need the Glazers out and have joined the protest by taking part in as S@%t as possibel to not solely miss a Champions League spot however any European competitors altogether. Given their present type, and with Liverpool and Arsenal nonetheless to come back, eighth place isn’t unrealistic.
This vital lack of income will see prime gamers depart, different prime gamers refusing to hitch MUFC, ultimately resulting in mid-table mediocrity, forcing the Glazers to promote the membership.
We must always all be supporting their on-field protests!
Adidasmufc
(I’d nonetheless need Simeone as the brand new supervisor simply to see him piss off everybody every week!)
The tiresome Trent v James debate…
In response to Pete B concerning the Trent v James debate, it’s a bit tiresome now. It rears it’s head on an virtually month-to-month foundation now and is rapidly turning into this generations Lampard v Gerrard.
As a Liverpool fan, I believe Trent is solely a top quality footballer. He can play crosses, passes or photographs on objective from angles and positions that defy logic at instances. He is an exceptional footballer. Reece James can be an exceptional soccer participant. We’re genuinely blessed to have such high quality English gamers for the time being. Why not simply respect them for what they do? They aren’t the identical, and have completely different skills.
Personally, I don’t assume Trent is a superb match for England. The best way he performs for Liverpool is a system designed to maximise his high quality on the ball. England’s isn’t, so he doesn’t look pretty much as good with the extra destructive system which can scale back his attacking output. There may be nothing incorrect with that.
I don’t agree with this fixed discuss how he can’t defend. That may be a fallacy. The defensive facet of his sport has improved significantly. If Lee needs to make use of objectives conceded stats, you’ll be able to’t add within the caveat that Liverpool’s different defenders cowl for him. The place is the proof of this? He’s a part of a defensive unit, all of them contribute. As Lee even stated, Liverpool concede objectives much less continuously than Chelsea do, apparently regardless of Trent, whereas James is a part of a defensive unit and the stats rely for him. Why is that this?
Trent nonetheless will get caught out every so often as a result of being so excessive up the pitch. However guess what, so does Reece James, and Kyle Walker, and Andy Robertson. All these gamers get caught out sometimes. It’s going to occur, actually for Liverpool, as a result of nature of the best way they play.
Did folks even actually watch the Man Metropolis v Liverpool sport? Seen it talked about fairly a bit that Trent was seen because the weak hyperlink and Metropolis have been concentrating on him. That is utterly unfaithful. Metropolis focused the area out extensive, that is true. Nevertheless the facet they focused extra continuously was Andy Robertsons facet greater than Trent’s. Who remembers Phil Foden doing something of word within the sport? Trent stored him very quiet. Who fell asleep and was out of place for Liverpool’s second objective and defensibly poor, Kyle Walker, who is probably going forward of each James and Trent within the England squad.
Can’t we simply get pleasure from these completely different, however equally good gamers?
Regards
Kevin
There are a number of subjects which are very drained. One is the Liverpool play too excessive a line and the second is that James is best tan TAA, as raised but once more by PeteB, within the afternoon mailbox.
For people who haven’t been studying the analysts who really analyse vs the pundits, you will notice that Liverpool have sniffed out extra assaults and objectives by catching opponents offside by a far vital margin over opponents. As of Feb 22 (final stats I may discover) Liverpool had caught opponents offside 101 instances, the second finest was Metropolis at 61 after which it drops all the way down to the 50’s and decrease down the highest 5. On the identical time, that top line permits Liverpool to press and win extra balls in opponents half resulting in extra objectives – therefore Liverpool being the highest objective scorers at this second – with 15 greater than Chelsea. And as an apart, letting in a single much less objective than Chelsea, who’ve performed one much less sport. (You may see that final yr, unable to play the excessive line Liverpool discovered it arduous scoring objectives.)
Past the objectives and assists TAA has 63 key passes (passes that would result in a shot on objective) whereas James has 22.
This results in the TAA vs James dialogue. There may be much more to defending than tackles. Many prime managers see tackling as a defensive failure – a failure of the system and technique. Interceptions or just shepherding the opponent to a safer space is most popular. Regardless, TAA has made 80 tackles to James’ 44. After all, James has performed much less skewing all these numbers.
However these are simply numbers. The fact is that TAA is essential to Liverpool’s technique. He’s a playmaker who occurs to be a defender. He’s additionally a defender in a group that performs a really excessive line. A excessive line judged to make the most of the truth that VAR will catch extra offsides and so much less dangerous than earlier than. But it surely does put extra stress not simply on the ‘relaxation’ of the defensive position to cowl for TAA, and Fabinho and the proper sided midfielder, however TAA himself – to be a part of an assault after which again defending. However TAA is a key aspect of the group’s total technique virtually whatever the truth is a full again.
James is a superb participant and works effectively in groups that don’t play such a excessive mine. Like Chelsea and England. How effectively would James work for Liverpool? However each must be seen as sensible for England that we’ve such expertise.
Sadly Southgate performs a really conservative sport. He acknowledges that it’s arduous to play probably the most progressive methods with a squad which will change (as a result of damage), one the place he can’t purchase somebody to suit, and has much less time to drill for these progressive methods. So he goes with tremendously defensive formations, with 3 on the again or 2 DMs or each. England don’t play a excessive line and urgent sport, and the forwards make completely different runs into area thus negating the benefit having a TAA in place. Whereas James can play a standard wing again function, though Trippier does it higher and suits in higher to England’s main formation.
That has all the time been the problem for some nice gamers in stepping into the England group. Southgate’s method is formation first, and suits gamers to suit. It clearly has been working thus far – though we may do with a tad extra progressive ahead play.
Let’s rejoice all the good English proper backs taking part in proper now.
Paul McDevitt
I’ve to say I’ve discovered the TAA vs James debate a bit tiresome. But it surely all the time appears to be clouded on this ‘who performs for England’ – as if that in any means solutions the query.
For me, Southgate picks the gamers that work for the system he needs to play.
England play nothing like Liverpool, so it is sensible that TAA doesn’t match. Now you would possibly say he ought to be capable of adapt – however why make a participant adapt when you will have the perfect participant (James or Walker) there already?
Enjoying for England below Southgate doesn’t imply you might be ‘the most effective’, it means he thinks it’s going to work.
Living proof – have a look at Sterling (horrible final season, unbelievable on the Euros) and Grealish (unbelievable final yr – hardly acquired a sport and did little or no with the time he had). However England – made the ultimate.
If additional proof is required please see England’s ‘Golden Era’ – and a midfield of Scholes, Lampard and Gerrard that was so appalling collectively they may barely get out the group most years (in the event that they certified).
Come on folks. Right this moment’s England doesn’t equal finest. It’s refreshing to see a manger not attempt to shoehorn all of them in.
Cheers,
Marc (frankly the less video games Liverpool gamers have for nationwide groups the higher – depart them good and recent for the necessary stuff thanks!)
PeteB has touched on one thing that I actually hope doesn’t develop into a factor. TAA vs Reece James. Gerrard vs Lampard was dangerous sufficient. Within the darkest timeline Gerrard signed for Chelsea. John Terry most likely slept along with his spouse…
For England I actually don’t thoughts James being picked forward of TAA. When folks have been claiming that he couldn’t defend and Southgate was choosing Walker and Tripper forward of him I used to be a bit extra perplexed. James does seem to be a superb participant and is extra used to Southgate’s formation of taking part in 8 defenders, Kane and Sterling.
What I nonetheless discover perplexing is the completely different requirements that TAA is judged by in comparison with James. The day after James is knocked out of the champions league after conceding 5 objectives over two legs we’ve PeteB claiming that James is the higher defender. TAA will get branded a crap defender when one objective is conceded. In opposition to Metropolis Roy Keane was bemoaning his physique language when standing as much as a cross. That’s the extent of granularity TAA’s criticism will get to. At Anfield, James acquired despatched off for dealing with the ball on the road. How’s that for physique language?
PeteB says that TAA is focused extra together with in opposition to Metropolis. Which is humorous as a result of I seen that Metropolis attacked extra down Liverpool’s left in comparison with different groups. Robbo was positively labored more durable and VVD took a uncommon reserving. I believe it’s because 1) Metropolis can deal with TAA and Salah’s assaults 2) Metropolis can work by means of the midfield fairly than play proportion balls to an space between centre again and full again and three) Metropolis aren’t scare of VVD. Its these the explanation why TAA’s facet will get focused by different groups. Doubtless to have the ability to play in midfield in opposition to Liverpool – nope. Can we play proportion balls to VVD and Robbo’s facet – hell, no. Can we play proportion balls to TAA and Matip/Gomez/Konate’s facet – yep, you by no means know, it’d cease TAA from getting a few assists too if he has to run again generally. Possibly the league’s prime objective scorer would observe again too.
Like PeteB says, folks have been concentrating on TAA for a superb 3 or 4 years now. When that defensive unit is in place, TAA concedes lower than James. I assume that the stats PeteB used even embrace the Centre Again 12 months. Sure, it’s the unit and that his group mates too however he’s an enormous a part of that. The excessive offside line or Fab dropping in as Matip comes extensive to fill the hole as TAA strikes ahead isn’t his group mates choosing up the slack. That’s techniques mate. That’s by design. It’s the identical for Chelsea. By PeteB’s evaluation James is conceding extra objectives than TAA in a group containing Kante. Kante!
You may rely on one hand the variety of gamers who efficiently goal that proper hand facet of Liverpool’s defence. This season the standout efficiency was Martinelli for Arsenal. That lad made Trent work for it. Martinelli had a superb sport as a result of he was up in opposition to a superb defender. Martinelli misplaced that sport after managing one off course shot. And that’s thought of a MOTM efficiency when up in opposition to TAA.
Like I stated, I don’t need it to be about TAA vs James. Each champions league winners not like Walker or Trippier. Each good English lads taking part in for his or her native groups. James has his sister taking part in there too. Its nice to see. I can see why Southgate doesn’t wish to choose Trent. I can see why Trent picks up niggling muscle accidents over worldwide pleasant breaks. But when Trent is a foul defender then ruddy hell, what does it say for the state of left wingers today?
Alex, South London – who has simply remembered that Liverpool play tonight and has most likely jinxed the lad
I’m tiring of the TAA-for-England debate. The query of his {qualifications} is as restricted and as boring because the query of God’s existence. Both means, you’re left with a complete bunch of irreconcilable particulars that require interpretation.
For me, the elemental matter for interpretation isn’t TAA’s qualities as a person however the group of which he is a component. I’ve heard it stated that people are social animals, and subsequently an individual is simply ever a “person-in-relation.” All of the extra so for a soccer participant. TAA-with-Liverpool is nice. TAA-with-England has been beneath par. Quite than asking does TAA belong on England, the extra attention-grabbing questions would middle on England, reminiscent of, “Wouldn’t it be value tweaking the system to get extra out of TAA, or is England completely happy sufficient with what Reece James supplies?” If nothing modifications, nothing modifications.
Jonny (to not be confused lightning-rod Nic of F365 fame)
Pretty use of per minute stats from PeteB to point out James is the proper alternative for England. A objective/help each 113 minutes actually seems to be higher than one each 171. However scratch the floor and extra attention-grabbing is the truth that 64% (7/11) of James’s contributions this season have come in opposition to the present backside 6, whereas – by coincidence – 64% (9/14) of TAA’s have come in opposition to the present prime 6 (excluding Liverpool, clearly). TAA has contributed a objective or help each 80 minutes in opposition to the most effective groups within the league – he has a minimum of one in opposition to all of Metropolis, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, West Ham and Utd this season.
So maybe Pete is correct, James does seem to suit very effectively with Southgate’s England – a flat observe bully who turns into ineffective in opposition to the most effective groups.
Shappo
Simply seen the mailbox headline about Reece James being the way forward for England fairly than TAA.
Don’t give a fuck in regards to the reasoning employed I merely implore the FA to agree with whichever fuckwit would like Nathaniel Clyne 2.0 to the most effective English passer of a ball since Beckham.
Let him play like a legend for his hometown group fairly than be a misused cog in a dysfunctional nationwide setup.
James Outram, Wirral
Why dive?
Why do gamers dive? Go down straightforward? Make a meal of it?
Easy, it will get free kicks and penalties.
Taking a look at speedy wingers in Europe’s prime 4 leagues Messi and grealish are awarded selections each 20 minutes on common.
Two gamers who aren’t averse to “making a meal of it”
On the different finish of the spectrum is Salah who’s awarded a call each 180 minutes or so. Salah doesn’t are likely to make a meal of it a lot anymore after being closely criticised for it a couple of years in the past (which personally I felt was unfair)
So taking place will get selections. When refs cease awarding it, they’ll cease taking place. Easy.
Lee
Memorable video games
Steve, Ontario asks about memorable video games, for me it was Arsenal v Norwich at Highbury in 1989. We had already crushed Norwich 5-0 earlier within the season so the primary problem was the celebration of David O’Leary’s file look for Arsenal (622nd sport!).
Norwich hadn’t learn the script and went 2-0 up, by the 62nd minute Arsenal had managed to equalise, just for Norwich to attain once more on 76 minutes. A few minutes later O’Leary scored with a header, his first objective in 7 seasons!
Into stoppage time and Lee Dixon had the prospect to attain his 2nd penalty of the sport, the keeper saved it however Dixon managed to attain with the rebound. As Norwich gamers rushed to seize the ball for the restart a mass brawl broke out with a number of gamers booked.
A number of seconds after the restart the ref blew – 4-3 to Arsenal!
Joff, Barton Gooner